Confirmed Alabama Rot Map

Since November 2012 have included confirmed cases of Alabama Rot on a UK map, with data sourced from Anderson Moores Vet Specialists (AMVS). From 5th October 2017, with the agreement of the Alabama Rot Research Fund & AMVS, this map has been retired.

Vets4Pets map of confirmed Alabama Rot cases

Instead, we suggest dog owners check the Vets4Pets map of confirmed Alabama Rot cases.

What are ‘Confirmed’ Alabama Rot Cases?

‘Confirmed Cases’ are dogs in whom cutaneous and renal glomerular vasculopathy (CRGV) [or ‘Alabama Rot’] was suspected and renal thrombotic microangiopathy (TMA) was histopathologically confirmed after the dog died.

Why have a map of Alabama Rot cases?

The cause of Alabama Rot in dogs is still unknown. Alabama Rot is 90% fatal in dogs. An environmental factor could trigger Alabama Rot.

Vet David Walker of Anderson Moores
David Walker of Anderson Moores
Anderson Moores

Vet David Walker at Anderson Moores Veterinary Specialists said:

“we do not know for certain if there is an environmental trigger for CRGV. Indeed, if there is an environmental trigger we do not know when, in relation to the development of clinical signs, this occurs (e.g. environmental exposure could occur one day, one week, or one month before clinical signs develop)” (29th January 2015)

121 Replies to “Confirmed Alabama Rot Map”

  1. The article is pure scaremongering, and Anderson Moores already admitted that when first writing their paper, they called it Alabama Rot, but it is not the same disease found in the UK. CRGV is not Alabama Rot as it does not have the pathology related to e-coli. I have now retired after 50 years in pathology for both humans and animals. I made a few enquiries with colleagues and from what they told me, there has been no confirmed case of AR in the UK; there have been many confirmed cases of CRGV. Furthermore, AR only affected greyhounds in the USA, not all breeds. AR in Alabama was possibly related to the awful food fed to the greyhounds. You will also notice these scaremongering articles come only from vets; I do not suppose they have a financial interest, after all, why would anyone read a boring story about CRGV? If you mention Alabama Rot then all dog lovers, including me, are concerned, and we read the article. Thankfully, my life in pathology helps me to understand the truth and realise the occurrences are so rare it is not deserving of the hype!

  2. I am particularly worried by AGE because 5 years ago our beautiful Bumble (briard) died with very serious skin leisons and diabetes. However looking at the epidemiology of the disease I have a hunch it is closely related to leprosy and tuberculosis. Which may show a way forward for its treatment. N.N we live in Mannintree.

  3. Read all the comments it’s defiantly an interesting read.
    My dad has had dogs going on 60 years now. Staffordshire bull terriers which had travel all over the country with him doing shows to more recently working Labs, Cocker and Springer Spaniels who, goes without saying spent most of their lives outside in kennels, fields, woodland, rivers, ponds. You name it they’ve been there and worked it. “Touch wood” he’s never had a dog with Alabama Rot. Having said that, many people in the dog world he knows have. Their dogs have been in similar places to his own.
    One of my friends lives with her garden boarding Cannock Chase. Last year she lost her Golden Retriever to AR but her Show Cocker has been Ok and still walk over the chase for 6 miles a day. They are planning more holidays around the UK this year to spend more quality time with their dog. Seeing her enjoy new places and adventures, as are my parents with their 5 Labs!!
    I’ve heard so many speculations to what causes the infection of AR and what the signs are. What to do, what not to do. My dad has now heard it comes from fish (one of the commemts on here suggests frogs- could be onto aomething) and spreads through flooding, mud, etc. If you think how much water spreads on earth going back to the water cycle most of us learnt at school, from mountains rain falls to the rivers, streams, brooks to lakes, rivers and the sea. The water evaporates into the sky forming clouds and cycle repeats. As we have no hard or detailed evidence to how our dogs are getting the disease and can only be tested for it after death, which most people either can’t afford or don’t want the bodies of their beloved family member to be poked and prodded, we aren’t going to find out the full extent or have the expert knowledge to stop/prevent this deadly disease.
    After having my little working cocker put down 3 years ago at the age of 14, who I worked the local land and took with me travelling all over the country. I now have a 9 month old Lab. Yesterday we went on our first day trip to the National Trust Red squirrel forest and beach . . . He’s currently asleep curled up next to me, I’m sure dreaming about yesterday’s adventures. I will always love walks, Britains countryside and wildlife trails and of course my dogs. I won’t be holding my fur-baby back on any adventures because of AR or any other disease unless absolutely necessary!! Especially as someone in these comments suggested a dog could have only got it from their back garden!! Which is very scary to hear. But if you knew the future and knew in 6 months – 6 years, today – tomorrow your dog was going to be taken away from you by this disease wouldn’t you want them to live a normal happy doggie life filled full of food, cuddles, adventures and rainy days by the fire?!?! I don’t know maybe I look too much at the positives in life, even as humans we’d want to live our best life wouldn’t we. Who gives us the right to restrict our pets life.
    P.s. my dad also said AR has been in the UK for over 20 years?? Don’t know how true that is be he remembers cases with people he knew going back that far. . .

    1. Thank you for your comment re AR. I also have a 2 year old lab. I am meant to be going on the Great British Dog Walk today at Munden Estate, Hertfordshire near where I live. I was really looking forward to the walk and have just found out that there has been a case of AR in that area …… dilemma, do I still go ?!

  4. Alabama Rot is very worrying for all of us Dog owners.
    We decided not to holiday in England this summer as a
    precaution, and have advised all our “doggie” friends about
    the problem. I feel all we can do is avoid places where it
    has appeared already, such as forests,water and mud and keep a sharp watch on our Canadian Shepherd feet etc. Commiserations
    to those people who have lost their pets due to this horrible
    illness. We live in Edinburgh and thankfully have not heard of a case
    in Scotland. We keep up to date about cases and current information.

    1. There were 29 case of Alabama Rot in the uk last year out of a dog population of 5 million. In the same time 286 dogs were killed by cars. Best not take your dog out on the street, allow it to travel in the car etc.

    2. I have heard of cases that have been found in Dumfriesshire, Galashiels and one in Aberdeen. I heard from a vet who was staying with me at the time that there had been a dog die of it who walked Dalkeith country park. That was near the start of the disease being reported. Galashiels was 2018.

    3. please google the first case of Alabama rot in Scotland in Midlothian in 2016. The vets treated the dog for AR and vets were all sure it was AR. However it has since been recorded as unconfirmed as the requisite test post mortem was not done at the time, as I understand.
      All I would add was that a vet was staying with me at the time and it was beleived to definitely be AR.
      The vets are in Loanhead.

  5. Just a possibilty but could the frog/toad disease which is also emerging and rots there legs off be linked. It has been about a long time in tropical fish tanks, but has now got into the wild frog/toad/newt population. I don’t know if it is the same bacteria as that vet is on about in fish? That could explain the case that had not been in anywhere other than its garden. An infected frog may have got in.

    This is only a long-shot though.

  6. Lyme’s disease is from deer spread by the ticks can affect humans also this is a disease spread by ticks. Can brush themv off but you need front line as it also protects from ticks.

    1. There are plenty of ‘natural products that will deter ticks and fleas. Biospotix is one such spray. We walk in deer infested forestry daily and Biospotix has worked for two years.

  7. Hello, I have read all of the comments and I wonder… is it the birds? They cross countries, fly all over the countries wooded areas. Sit in the woodland, eat, toilet, sleep and die in the woodland. Could that be how it is spreading possibly?
    I think it’s more feasible than badgers, horses etc who wouldn’t travel the length of the country, but birds do! Just asking opinions.

    1. I think its likely tourism. Holidays to the new forest from, say america, now its rising from the south with a large cluster now developed in manchester. But first cases were in the south.

  8. Why are their no cases in cats when they are out in all weathers and travel long distances. How many people whose dogs have caught it have cats????

    1. I have a feeling that the many injections we now give our dogs routinely may be causing illnesses especially if we want to travel intercontinental. We are routinely poisoning their little bodies with flea treatment, worming treatments, kennel flu jabs, etc etc we must be damaginf their immune systems and undermining their kidney and liver funtion the flushers of their systems. Vets are part of the problem and have vested interests.

      1. Yes, I truly believe this.
        I intend to have the blood test for my dogs to see if they still have immunity when their jabs are next due.
        Of course boarding kennels will have to accept the results.
        In humans we only have one vaccination for most diseases which last a lifetime………
        So why does the veterinary profession say that these poor animals should be vaccinated every year?
        Could this be because of the veterinary pharmaceutical companies?
        This should be thoroughly investigated.

      2. It is necessary to vacibate against parvo, distemper annually, however with regards to lepto this only requires vaccinating every 3 years. My dog 6 years ago after her booster became ill. The following year I contacted my old previous vet and she explained over vaccinating of the lepto part. My dog has her booster every year which is a must but the lepto every 3 years

        1. You don’t need boost every year just need to do titer test. You don’t want to pump mercury, formaldehyde and aluminum into the little one. Lepto4 has the most adverse effects, one shot of Lepto2 would be enough.

        2. Lepto is every year. The distemper etc is three yearly.
          Current belief is that the 3 yearly vaccine actually covers dogs for approximately 7 years to life, as long as they have their initial puppy jabs.
          Get a titre test carried out to check immunity, and stop filling our dogs with horrible unnecessary toxins

  9. ALABAMA ROT claimed the life of my gorgeous beautiful Shadow, my Dalmatian on 01.02.18 — I am devastated and heartbroken. This was horrible to watch and not being able to do anything…..

    I went to a meeting which didnt reveal or answered anything. The vets were vague and from my little knowledge didn’t know more than I did, unless they didn’t tell us everything. And this will always be my hunch. This is going for knowingly 6 years and apparently in all these years nothing has been found. I don’t believe it. And why doesnt this affect foxes?? Today I heard of 6 cases in my immediate area. Most these cases will not be mentioned and just forgotten about. So the numbers we see aren’t actually true. Where is there (except for the map) a list of breeds, ages, long-hair short-hair, gender etc?

    1. I don’t believe they are able to fully divulge what they know. Like Graham I smell a rat. Not the same rat though. I think our dogs are now vulnerable to something that has been with us all the time. Their immune systems have been adversely affected by something. Something they ingested.

      1. Hi Carol,

        If you meant me, thanks for the “plug”. As a matter of interest, the remarkable thing about radiation poisoning is that it degrades the immune system and many other systems in the body, so you can die of it and not know. A bit like AIDS, really.

        Radiation can also kill you or your dog directly, of course, if you get a lethal external dose, or if, like Litvinenko, you are unlucky enough to ingest a fatal dose, but there are just so many ways you can die from it. If you see celebrities celebrities and folks you know dropping dead with heart attacks, it could be caesium (a look-alike for potassium) in the heart muscle, or getting leukemia from strontium (a look-alike for calcium) in the bones and so on. In this case, however, we have two symptoms that are a radiation poisoning classic, lesions and kidney damage.

        We don’t know what is causing it, but we should at least be asking the radiation question, particularly as no other contaminant is likely to be so widespread. AM seem to have rejected this for completely fallacious reasons, and that worries me. I have to wonder why, as the governments and the nuclear industry have a history of lies, half-truths, disinformation and cover-ups, and having been appointed by the government I guess they will be obliged to stick to the government “line” on this.

        I’m just asking the questions that’s all. I hope I’m wrong.

        Check the news links on these sites. It’s an eye-opener:

        1. please google the first case of Alabama rot in Scotland in Midlothian in 2016. The vets treated the dog for AR and vets were all sure it was AR. However it has since been recorded as unconfirmed as the requisite test post mortem was not done at the time, as I understand.
          All I would add was that a vet was staying with me at the time and it was beleived to definitely be AR.
          The vets are in Loanhead.

    2. So sorry to hear about your Shadow, we lost our CC Retriever to something very suspiciously like Alabama, it was horrendous to see, but the Vet insisted it was cutaneous Lymphoma, perhaps it was, I will never know. After she died, I asked for a Lab test to confirm it but it was not done, they just gave me a copy from a web site and said it confirmed it. My remaining elderly Dog will not be having anymore injections

    3. I am sorry for your loss. I also think there are things being withheld from the public regarding this awful disease. We public are relying on voluntary actions of vets to pass on information, they are not obliged to and in Scotland lots of people think there is no AR yet there have been 4 confirmed cases at least. I also think many cases designated as unconfirmed need to be investigated . The midlothian case, the vets were sure it was AR but the following year had to call it unconfirmed as the requisite test hadnt been done post mortem…I understand, so there mst be underreporting of cases to the public.

    4. That’s what I’d like to see.
      1. A map with all confirmed cases in one colour, all unconfirmed cases in another colour. And to be able to see the map for individual years, not have every case on one map the whole time.
      2. The government paying for post mortems and making AR a notifiable disease.
      3. Warning notices up everywhere dogs are walked advising owners to watch out for symptoms.
      4. Research into what sorts of dogs get it – is it pure breeds, do cross breeds resist it, is it working dogs, short or long haired breeds, that sort of thing.

    1. I don’t think so as we have squirrels and wooded areas here in East Anglia yet 0 confirmed cases-I don’t know we have any suspected either. I love holidaying in the UK but must admit that it concerns me taking my dog near to an area where there have been cases.

    2. I’m in England where there are a lot of grey squirrels, we have them in the garden all the time where my dog is, and he seems fine, then again this is just my experiences and from what I’ve heard there aren’t any cases of this disease in England.

    3. I wondered this too. We’ve just got our first case in this area, and strangely there have been grey squirrels in our woods this year for the first time ever

    4. I am in Scotland and four cases here that I know of
      Dumfriesshire Aberdeen Galashiels and at the start a dog walking Dalkeith way… a vet staying with me a t the time told me… but why none in Scotland seem to be reported as they are in England?

  10. 3 independent people have each told me of a dog death (alabama rot) at May Hill,cliffords mesne)Glos. and one person said they read a newspaper report of a dog death at Highnam nr.Gloucester.

    1. Hi Dave
      Make that 4 people.
      I know 3 dogs in this area-not all officially confirmed although vet was sure.
      Don’t know about Highnam. So maybe that makes 4 dogs.
      So with the local case of the Visler at Longhope being the flag on the map you can multiply by 3 or 4 to get a real picture. Scary.
      It will be a while before I do woodland walks!

  11. Is it me, or is there a high correlation between it being mostly the winter months and in woodlands. I wonder with all the different spike nuts laying on the ground and rotting, whether the dogs get like a needle stick injury introducing bacteria/fungus into their paws. Dogs lick the injured site and ingest the microorganism. Dog keeps worrying at injury, breaking down their skin, and the rot spreads further. A lot of the unknown areas walked live near woods. It seems to be after the leaves and nuts fall, in damp fungus woodlands, all the way up to April time… maybe doggy shoes would be a good thing? Plus washing paws in something like hibiscrub after a walk…?? If dog starts worrying their paw, wash again with hibiscrub, put a sock on their paw, and get to vet asap…??

  12. Very worried about this problem and examining my dog after walks.. I live in the north west of the UK and would like to be kept up to date on any cases and their whereabouts. Also of any new treatments. Thanks

      1. CAn i ask wat sort of places did u walk him or anything u suspected cud be the cause im in preston and its getin closer n closer some cases havnt even been walked in sirt of areas like its sayin to avoidx

  13. Hi Chris,

    Sorry for the delay.

    Firstly, it’s always great to hear from you, and thanks for the unvelievable work you are doing here.

    I prepared a couple of long responses and then I thought to myself “Why should I do all the work here?”. I respond to Laura’s statement by saying, “Prove it”. What information do you have to support your assertion, because all the papers I have seen on rediation-induced nephropathy report that th e glomeruli are primarily targeted by both external and internal radiation (you can Google this stuff yourself too).

    Best regards to you both.

    1. Then why only one case in Cornwall then. There is loads of uranium on footpaths left from the mining industry there. Very radioactive compared with the rest of the country.

      1. Hi Dogmother,

        Yes, here’s a nice link to that sort of thing:

        For a fact, you don’t want to be eating natural Uranium, but it is just not in the same league as man-made hot particles. Nuclear fission produces isotopes not seen in nature. They are far more deadly than natural isotopes, and that is why firemen and helicopter pilots die when a reactor blows up. Why else would we have containments around nuclear reactors?

        Much of the, deadlier man-made radiation comes from nuclear disasters, but also, surprisingly, from *regular*, *routine*, *scheduled*, *deliberate* releases up the thin, red-and-white chimneys and down the pipes to the sea at the nuclear power plants. They have to release these things, or it would get too radioactive inside the plant. Think about it. How do they cool the reactor without making the cooling water radioactive? They can’t. So where do they put it when it gradually gets as radioactive as the reactor it is cooling? How do you have pipes with radioactive water in and not make the air around the pipes radioactive? So what do they do with the radioactive air? And so on.

        In any case, as I have stated elsewhere on this site, you cannot prove or disprove much statistically, because the numbers are so small, your conclusion does not have statistical significance to support it. Cornwall might have got lucky, or less vets knew about this or any number of things.

        But even if we are charitable and pretend your sample size is statistically significant. In fact, let’s assume there had been no cases at all in Cornwall. Would that prove anything? I fear not. Other parts of the country have more forest to catch lethal hot particles, more depleted uranium firing ranges (DU is far more dangerous than naturally occurring uranium, radium, etc.), oh – and more nuclear power plants.

        and, from what I can see, it other nuclear disasters, and mining packed up around 1930, and by now will have settled in “sinks”. The uranium may or might never have been distributed as thoroughly and widely as vast clouds of fallout from three Fukushima melt-downs, and may have been depleted, ploughed-in or dispersed at least somewhat since. Hardly the same as Fukushima, Chernobyl, Dounreay, TMI, and counless other accidents and some 500 nuclear power plants plus other nuclear facilities leaking *right now* – *constantly* leaking hot particles and other particulates, gases, liquids and solids into the environment – on land, landfills, sea, and air.

        But there is another answer. Litvinenko.

        He died from ingesting a non-naturally occurring, man-made isotope called polonium.

        Naturally occurring uranium and rad is altogether different in power and nature from decaying fission products – *man-made* isotopes from nuclear weapons and particles from spent/partially spent fuel assemblies – isotopes like polonium – as the Litvinenko case has proven. Polonium from power plants is known to accumulate on tobacco leaves, has been and is, in fact, part and parcel of what gives smokers cancer. Just one mild example of lesser deposits than Fukushima, or DU firing range dust plumes endangering human life.

        Not much chance, then for dogs that sniff the ground, lap the water and roll in hot particles. That is not speculation. It is fact. That is what your dog is doing. Whether it causes CRGV is another matter, of course.

        Just Google this stuff or check out

  14. Hi Graham,
    you said:
    >The radiation idea makes lots of sense – but it is >still only a possibility – a very real possibility so far >as I can see.

    Laura Holm of Anderson Moores wrote here on 19th October 2016:
    “I have come across comments indicating that people are concerned about CRGV being the result of radiation poisoning. All possibilities are being carefully considered, but the histopathological changes seen with CRGV are different from those seen in the kidney following radiation damage – namely with CRGV, the glomerular capillaries specifically are targeted, whereas with radiation nephropathy, the vessels throughout the interstitium undergo damage.”

    Graham, how do you respond to this statement by Laura at AM?

    Regards, Chris Street

  15. Hi Tarnia,

    The radiation idea makes lots of sense – but it is still only a possibility – a very real possibility so far as I can see.

    I am perplexed by your assertion that you would expect to see more cases if radiation were the cause. That makes no sense to me – and it flies in the face of research on radiation poisoning.

    The accepted model for this – currently used the world over – is LNT or linear NO THRESHOLD. In other words – NO MINIMUM NUMBER OF CASES. Regardless of whether the radiatioin was external or internal (ingested particles), the smaller the amount of radiation, the smaller the number of cases, right down to zero. Therefore anything from zero to an infinite number of cases could be radiation induced. So from the number of cases, clearly CRGV could be radiation induced.

    I have raised this before, but as far as I can see no-one has offered any scientific basis for the theory that radiation would cause more cases.

    This seems to still be be the official (AM) view, but they do not appear to have posted any scientific evidence is offered to back up their “not enough cases” claim.

    Are the officials simply too busy to respond properly to posts here (in which case, why don’t they say so?), are they just ignorant of the science (in which case, why don’t they admit it?), do they know something we do not (in which case tell us!), or is there a cover-up?

    As they were appointed by the government, have they been instructed not to look into this? It would not be the first cover-up on behalf of the nuclear industry. Google Windscale (now Sellafield) and Dounreay – you can also search on youtube. There are some great documentaries on these nuclear disasters there – all covered up at the time – as was the depleted uranium target practice at Lulworth (Dorset).

    1. The radiation idea makes no sense for many reasons.
      1) If it was radiation, then you’d expect to see lots of cases in the areas associated with increased radiation levels (Cornwall is radiaoactive because of the presence of Radon in the granite – there is no Uranium lol.) Also Edinburgh (built out of granite). You’d expect to see minimal cases in other areas, with the cases the result of owners travelling with their dogs. This is NOT the pattern observed.
      2) Radiation damage would cause very different symptoms, with different parts affected in different animals. Again this is not what is observed.

      I suggest you stay away from conspiracy sites for your own good 🙂

      1. There is a very large amount of uranium left in Cornwall from the mining industry. There was even a uranium mine at St Stephen in Brannel run bu Societe Industrielle Du Radium Ltd. in Marie Curies day.

      2. Bit of a rude and patronising last sentence. Personal attacks are a well known logical fallacy known as ad hominem – attacking the person rather not the point made. You really should check the facts and try to engage your brain before scoffing at others’ posts – mine and others here…LOL.

        Firstly, check your facts, because there *is* uranium in Cornwall and it comes from Pitchblende.

        Secondly, engage your brain. Natural radiation in Edinburgh or anywhere else is not the same as man-made isotopes; and walking past a radioactive source, i.e. rocks, etc. is not the same as breathing it in, where it can bombard your cells at point blank range (radiation inverse square law – remember?).

        Breathe in hot particles and you *will* get cancer, as proven by the famous Beagle experiments decades ago. Just one hot particle can do it.

        We *are* breathing them in, because the nuclear industry has been releasing them deliberately and by “accident” (disaster) for decades. You just can’t see them, that’s all. No-one can.

        In 2011, Fukushima bathed the whole of the Northern Hemisphere in fallout, and folks on the West Coast of the US breathed in 5-25 hot particles per day. The same jet stream is what gives the UK 40% of Europe’s wind.

        So. These things lodge in your lungs, get into your blood and enter your organs, bones, flesh and brain. We are only arguing about *when* not whether we get cancer from them.

        Do you feel lucky?

        Your second point – different symptoms – is old news. I have stated that several times elsewhere on this site – but you seem so befuddled you do not realise it *supports* the radioactive contaminant theory:

        Firstly dogs get CRGV and horses do not – so there’s your “different animals” – secondly, the last time I looked, CRGV primarily affects primarily two “different” parts of dogs, kidneys (renal) and cutaneous (skin) with different symptoms – vascular and lesions. It’s what CRGV stands for. How can you not see that?

        You clearly cannot have read much or thought very much before you commented.

        For the record: is a news aggregator. All anyone has to do is follow the links to the media/scientific channels and judge for themselves. Are you saying that the BBC, Times, New York Times and many other scientific sources are all conspiracy sites? Nonsense.

      3. Edinburghs granite contains a lot less uranium than Cornwalls metmorphic ariole. I used to collect uranium ore in Cornwall (pichblende, torbernite, metatorbernite. zippaeite zuenerite and others. It took the geiger counter off scale. It classifies in the Intermediate Radioactive Waste category which means it is very radioactive but not quite enough to be noticeably heat producing.

  16. deer or other wild animals need to be concidered as many have already said, it seems to be contracted in woods and parkland, it wouldn’t take long for it to spread. Like myxomatosis but carried by a host whom is not affected by it, or is!
    The radiation idea does make sense, but as others have said I would expect to see more cases over the five years.
    There’s a big gathering of cases by the south and west cost, and fewer inland, could this be somthing to look into?
    another theory is fugi, mushrooms are known to Let off spores that can cause organs to shut down. Could it be possible a cut on a dogs leg or paw is already there before they contract Alabama rot but isn’t noticed until the dog has caught it and the wound is more noticeable, and that is how the diseases is getting into the blood stream?

    1. Myxomatosis is a man made disease. And how about if Alabama rot was man made? How about if it i all a money making to develop a vaccine to then ‘try’ it on our dogs and use them as guinea pigs? There has been many cases to of Leptrospirosis and it has now been shown that all they wanted was to develop a vaccine and of 100% of vaccinated dogs 100% died….Its all an awful thought, but who can say its not possible??

      1. I have to agree with you on this, another vaccine and another chemical to add to our dogs body, and more money in vets bills, it’s like the flu and pneumonia jab for us, I’ve had both vaccines and had both illnesses, how many animals have been used in animal testing for drugs etc and then released, makes you think.

  17. Are you not tracking cases North of the border? News reports stated three cases of Alabama rot in Scotland, I’m wondering why they are not reported here?

    1. Hi Cat,
      please advise press links to these 3 cases in Scotland. I’ll add them to our all cases map, if vets suspected Alabama Rot.

  18. July s on Facebook is keen for other dog owners to be aware of a case of Alabama Rot in her lab x in Dinton Salisbury Wiltshire. She has walked her dog solely in the grounds of Philips House Dinton Park for the last two years and is asking other dog walkers in that area to be extra vigilant for the signs and symptoms of CRGV, more commonly referred to as Alabama Rot and is asking has there been more cases of Alabama Rot in Dinton Park.

        1. We were down in Devon last week and the vet there told us there were three unconfirmed cases in Lydford Forest, which is between Okehampton and Tavistock on the borders of the Dartmoor National Park. We’d nearly walked our dogs there. Please add these to your map.

  19. Hi Alison,
    I’ve not found a way to import the data into Excel. You can ‘Export to KML’ from the menu (click the 3 vertical dots). However, I’m not sure what you can do with that KML file, except import it into another Google Map.

    Many of the cases, but not all, in the first 2 years, were in the New Forest. Other cases were, for example, in Guildford, Manchester and other areas.

  20. Hi Alison,
    I’ve not found a way to import the data into Excel. However you can ‘Export to KML’ from the menu (click the 3 vertical dots).

    Many of the cases, but not all, in the first 2 year, were in the New Forest. Other cases were, for example, in Guildford and Manchester.

  21. I seem to recall that all this started with reports of deaths only in the New Forest for some considerable time, per various articles, but the map doesn’t necessarily reflect this. Were the cases isolated to the New Forest for the first couple of years? Do you have a simple list of areas by year and month? Can’t seem to find that now.

    1. Hi H :o),

      Well, there are limits, of course, but there IS treatment, and some prevention too. Just Google: “protect your dog from radiation” and you’ll get a whole bunch of stuff.

      But, whether or not – surely, we want the truth or a reasonable scientific search for it.

      The cause might not be radioactivity. It might be some other contaminant, but it is difficult to know what other pollutant would be so widely spread and cause what seem to be known radiation poisoning symptoms, in those areas of the dog’s anatomy. For example, the “blood vessel” explanation given by the CGRV research papers for why this affects paws, legs and underbelly seems preposterous to me. The more obvious conclusion – that the dogs are walking in a contaminant deposited on the ground – I did not see it discussed there.
      It is already KNOWN that the particles are there – the ongoing open-air fission from the Fukushima disaster, the WIPP disaster, the recent Flamanville and two other French nuclear power plant explosions – thanks, EDF – can’t wait for Hinkley Point – plus daily ROUTINE releases into the northern hemisphere jet stream by hundreds of UK and US nuclear sites – dozens of leaky old power plants beyond their safe life, open-air nuclear dumps (like the Sellafield sludge pond), sub bases and DU firing ranges all over the place in the UK). Just Google “UK nuclear sites”/check out Incidentally, did you know there was a Scottish nuclear disaster, anyone?

      The science says the stuff is there. On the ground. Especially in the woods. We are only arguing about how much, and what it does to our pets – and us.

      If CRGV is from radioactive particles and we knew that, we would know that no clean-up or cure is likely, and we could then, at the very least take a view as to whether we wanted to own a dog at all, knowing that there is an increasing risk of having to watch it die in misery as the radioactive particulates from the unstoppable Fukushima disaster – all the above – and other disasters yet to come – inexorably accumulate in the coming years.

  22. Thanks Christopher Goven Street for clarifying that the Sandringham cases were Seasonal Canine Illness and not Alabama rot …. I thought it was one and the same! I wonder how many others do too. The symptoms are clearly different and worth knowing.

  23. My husband asked me why Sandringham in Norfolk was not marked on the map. We thought that the queen’s estate had AR or very similar and had heard of dogs being ill etc. after walking there. We thought that the first two areas of concern,5years ago were New Forest and Sandringham,r we wrong?
    The nuclear fall out suggestion is certainly one which would explain the total lack of any identity of cause in all these years.

  24. I would just like to ask for some advice. My dog went to the vets today with a problem with his gum with what looks like a large lump or swelling over his tooth. The vet observed that but was worried about what she believed to be CRGV symptoms on his legs and paws. The redness is on the bottom of his paws in-between the pads and is unexplained by any injury etc. He got tested for kidney failure and his kidneys were functioning as normal for the time being and we are to wait to see if other symptoms start to show. Is there any suggested advice for treatment before anything bad is noticed about kidney function? Obviously this is a disease which moves very fast so just seeing if there’s anything that could or should be done prior to more severe symptoms.

  25. I really think you are on to something Graham, thanks for posting, it makes complete sense to me, I would never have thought of radiation poisoning…. and yes, I agree about authorities and big businesses fearing getting found out.

      1. We all ingest some particles of radioactive substances – alas part of our background radiation thanks to our nuclear past and present. The dogs are not unique and more susceptible than the creatures living in those areas. If radiation was the cause then we would see wildlife affected. We don’t.

        The smoking gun is more likely to be something new we are doing.

        Either we have damaged our dogs immune systems by giving them something (Google some of the new oral parasite treatments) or they have picked up something meant for another animal as a pest control measure. Someone mentioned squirrels. Maybe and perhaps badgers.
        Maybe this is why it’s gone kind of quiet. I can see why people don’t trust the official line as being the whole truth, but I really think radiation is less likely than this.

        1. Hi again, Carol,

          I hate to say it, but that argument is hopelessly flawed.

          Firstly, one of the hallmarks of radiation poisoning is that it attacks the immune system – you can Google all this.

          Secondly, it does not matter as much that we may occasionally breathe in naturally radioactive particles:

          All radioactive substances are not equal. Why would they be? Hot particles from nuclear bombs and disasters are far more dangerous than particles found in nature. Why else would they have containments around nuclear power plants, and why else would firemen and helicopter pilots die when putting out nuclear fires when the reactors explode?

          Man-made radionuclides are more active, because we enriched them and then created fission with them. You can’t power a nuclear power plant with uranium you just dig up out of the ground!

          As the escaped reactor fuel decays in the environment, it loses atoms and is transformed into isotopes that resemble iron, calcium, potassium and other things our bodies need. There are some 2000 isotopes, and the body takes these up more readily and to a greater variety of locations in the body, like the thyroid (radio iodine) the bones (strontium) the muscles (caesium), plutonium to the testicles and so on. Trust me. You don’t want to be eating, drinking, or breathing any man-made nuclear waste in – and there is no way they should be releasing any. Period.

          I have posted elsewhere why dogs certainly are more vulnerable to contaminants – we don’t walk cats in the woods, for starters. Most cats I know don’t sniff the ground all the time, get mud in their fur and drink from forest puddles and streams. Horses don’t suffer quite so much because they don’t have paws and their bellies do not contract the undergrowth/ground. I doubt their owners will want them drinking from puddles, either. Sheep don’t go in the forest, and in any case, disappear by the thousands each year. I doubt Anderson Moores see many of them. Or badgers or wild rabbits for that matter.

          Also, we are talking very small numbers, here, and there are a lot more dogs than horses, so it’s a fallacy to suggest that other/all animals would must be affected by any contaminant – particularly any that falls out of the air and settles on the ground.

          Let’s not forget, the dogs get this on underbellies and legs, where hot particles are known to lodge, make the skin itch and cause the dogs to lick and nibble – enters the system – caught at the entrance to the kidneys – hence “glomerular”.

          I still think this looks like a contaminant.

  26. I wouldn’t be at all surprised Graham if it is connected to what you are saying.
    Everything gets covered up! The general public wouldn’t be told the truth for fear of mass hysteria!

    1. Hi Teresa, great to have your comment. They talk about hysteria, but when did you or I ever see any? What the authorities and big business fear is getting found out.

    2. Myxomatosis is a man made disease. And how about if Alabama rot was man made? How about if it i all a money making to develop a vaccine to then ‘try’ it on our dogs and use them as guinea pigs? There has been many cases to of Leptrospirosis and it has now been shown that all they wanted was to develop a vaccine and of 100% of vaccinated dogs 100% died….Its all an awful thought, but who can say its not possible??

  27. We do well to remember:

    1) CRGV is nothing more than a fancy name for the SYMPTOMS. No-one has identified a cause (i.e.) disease as such. IBS, for example, is not a disease, it’s just a fancy abbreviation for bowel SYMPTOMS , but it makes you think the doctor knows what’s wrong with you when he doesn’t.

    2) Radiation that does not show up on Geiger counters/detectors can still kill your dog – and you. Just a few microscopic specks swallowed by your dog or lodged somewhere on/in the body can kill it.

    3) Radioactive fallout concentrates at certain spots, crevices in pavements, the sides of the road, and alpha-emitting particles that will not show up on a Geiger held only inches away – especially if there is long grass or something in the way will still kill your dog.

    Alpha radiation does not even pass through paper, but alpha-emitting particles in close contact with your dog’s flesh will kill the surrounding cells. The dog’s flesh can actually HIDE what killed it, to all but the most exhaustive, expensive testing.

    4) We have to make nuclear bombs, so there have to be nuclear power stations that once in a while blow up (sometimes even a nuclear explosion – the process is the same, fission). That is why all of this gets covered up.

  28. Hello my dog might have alabama rot in his mouth .vets done blood test he has two large red sores in his mouth vets done biopsy waiting for results .kidneys are ok blood showing to many white cells
    He has not been off the land where I live he runs around orchard I have 8 dogs .the ill one is Titan Tibetan mastiff evening treated at heathfield vets
    Just got outside dog shower so I can shampoo them off outside with warm water to get mud off to
    Titan is at home with me

    1. Folks. Let’s think about this.

      Renal failure and lesions are classic symptoms of radiation poisoning. Forests in and grassland particular are excellent filters for radioactive fallout. Trees and bushes catch the particles and they are washed to the floor by the rain.
      Dogs walk in the deposited radioactive particles and get lesions in the lower legs. If they sniff in the right places wrong spots they ingest the particles. If they take in enough of it their kidneys fail. Hot particles lodged in the skin or in the tongue will cause lesions.

      The whole country has been bathed in radioactive fallout since the 3+ Fukushima total melt-downs, and the site continues to emit radioactive pollution to this day.

      The affected tissues are lower legs and tongues and kidneys. Three different tissue types, so this is germs floating in the air and then settling on the animal, otherwise the skin of the upper legs and back as well as the lower legs would be affected.

      This is cannot be a disease, because the labs would have found the virus/bacteria responsible.

      The geographical grouping of the cases may well coincide with where the fallout has “rained out” of the atmosphere, like the Fukushima radioactive plume rained out on the EAST coast(!) of America having entirely missed the West.

      Tell me I’m wrong.

        1. Hi Zsu,

          Really? My first question to you would be – how do you know? Do you know someone or something we don’t?

          I am sure there will be enough dog owners dying of kidney failure and cancer each year to more than cover the number of dogs dying of CRGV.

          Sure, we don’t get the lesions on our noses, bellies and legs, but when was the last time you saw a human running round the new forest barefoot on all fours, sniffing at the bottom of trees, drinking from puddles and rolling around in the dirt?

          It is already well-known that species with paws are more vulnerable to radioactive fallout than even other animals – say, horses – that have hooves, because the particles can easily lodge between the “toes” and the hair of the paws – the precise location of the lesions. Look up radiation poisoning in Wikipedia.

          You know, you don’t just drop dead when you swallow one radioactive particle or pass a radiation source. With particulates, there has to be a critical mass to kill you so quickly (remember Litvinenko), and with non-ingested radiation (say, being near something radioactive but not breathing it in) you have to be exposed to a certain dose for a certain length of time, so unless you dance barefoot in the dirt or sniff the ground as much as your dog, or drink as much water from puddles, you, as a human would be much less at risk than your dog – and with only fifty DOG cases, in, what? five years, now? in dogs, you aren’t going to see all that many sick humans, are you?

          Not that you would know if humans were dying too, mind. People ARE dying though. All the time. From cancers. For all you know, you or I may have the self same particles in our lungs or kidneys or brains right now, and if we get sick, I doubt the doctors are going to asking us whether we’ve got a dog, and did we ever walk it in the New Forest. Even if they did, with such small sample sizes 50/UK dog population you couldn’t prove anyone died of it – just as – with respect – you cannot show that NO-one died.

          It is well known that even within a species females and young are more vulnerable than old and young. Even in the same creature, radioactive particles do not distribute evenly, and some cell types are affected more than others when the body is evenly irradiated, so there is no reason that all parts of an animal, or all animals in a species, or all species would be evenly affected by either external (rays) or ingested radiation (particles). Just because dogs have got this now does not mean that we should have it too.

    2. Has anyone tried turmeric paste,high doses,for trying to treat this,alongside high vit c doses.just a curiosity,as golden paste is anti-viral/anti-fungal.I think if all cenventional medicines dont work.iu would be giving this a go…

  29. My dog died two weeks ago. The vets did not find out what it was. It began with a lesion on one paw which looked like a cut. Within two days all cuts were open and two black balls fell off when doing surgery. She was two days in vet clinic, getting infusions of cortison, antibiotics and vitamins. Next day ulcers appeared in the mouth. The dog had a strong sent of pus.

    After an injection back in the clinic which seemed to be painful the vet said that there must also be an inflammation of the veinss. He suggested to put her down to stop suffering.

    I live near Cologne in Germany but the dog was also on holiday in the Netherlands shortly before it begun.
    It looks much like Alabama rot. My dog is buried now so that we cannot do further examination. But maybe also helpful to spread, that others can get earlier help.

    1. I know its a few years since you posted this. But it sounds very much like Alabama rot. I went to a meeting on 13.02.18 and they said that anti-inflammatory injections make the disease spread 4 x faster. I have lost my Shadow my Dalmatian to AR on 01.02.18 and have done a lot of investigation since. And I have a funny feeling about it all being a man made disease. Are there many cases in Germany you know of?

  30. Two things have struck me about this condition since it broke out over here. Firstly it seems more prevalent in milder winters, making me wonder if colder weather kills off the vector, and secondly, it always seems to be present in locations where there are abundant horses, making me wonder if horses are the reservoir of the vector. I doubt my hypothesis holds water, but I would like to know for sure.

    1. I think you are probably correct about the wet and mild but the horses link is questionable because otherwise horse yards with dogs would have the same problem. Unless it is feral horses and linked somehow to their worm burden but I belive there was a case in London parks where there are no feral horses. Equaly in these areas there would be deer, rabbits, badgers etc etc all of which could be carrying something unharmful to them but not to dogs – good luck vets with your research.

    2. Horses can get something called Mud Fever which is also a cause of Rain Scalding. This gives them sores on their legs mostly, where they’ve been in mud. It doesn’t affect their kidneys though. Scabs need to be picked off and the sores underneath need treating.
      Some horses are just more prone to it than others. I had an anglo arab mare who got it every year, no matter what I did. But none of my other horses did. All in the same field, all in the same mud. And boy, was there a lot of mud in winter. They were all stabled at nights as well, but turned out during the day unless it was bucketing down.
      I’ve wondered for a long time if there could be a connection between Mud Fever and AR.

  31. Hi,

    I am aware of several cases of ‘Alabama Rot’ being diagnosed by Drove Veterinarians in Marlborough, Wiltshire ( I believe the cases are linked by the dogs having been walked in West Woods, nr Marlborough (51.396746, -1.776540).

    Kind regards,
    Matthew Armishaw

    1. Thanks Matthew. I heard about these cases a few days ago. BBC Radio Wiltshire did a piece and facebook is talking about it. I’ll add these suspected cases to the ‘all cases’ map soonest.

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