86 Replies to “All Alabama Rot Cases Map”

  1. Other than breed sex age . Are you noting if any vaccines for anything were administered.if so how long before getting the AR . The dogs that survived seem few .
    Had they or not been vaccinated and when .
    Had they had it been using anytype of flea it tick control . Worming medications
    Any other medications for arthritis, etc etc ..
    Are the results entered into a computer program looking for connections or are you relying on busy vets to share experiences ?
    I’d be by interested to hear

  2. Having been to France last year, the UK is it for the 2018 vacation.
    Like two years ago I took the effort to look at the cases in the areas
    we plan to visit.
    We start in Dover, drive to Sidmouth and then mainly the south western part uf the UK (Minehead to Illfracombe, Tintagle and on to to Newquay, St. Austel, Looe, Torquay the Yorkshire Coast
    Out of the 146 over the past 6 years ( 24 cases per year ) for this
    region there wer 65 % in the first 4 months and 27% in november and dezember.
    That should be evaluated. At least we summer tourists are more
    on the safe side of it all.
    Not much help, but a little.

  3. My dog goes for a lot of walks in wooded areas, lately he’s been tired and he has just been sick, I live in Norfolk where there aren’t any cases of this but should I go to the vets?

    1. How is your dog? Alabama Rot does seem to begin with legions but any change in your dogs health should be checked by your vet. Just to make sure and put your mind at rest.

  4. I am very angry this bacteria has got into Britain in the first case ,there seems to be problems like that of mad cows disease , how to prevent this disease from spreading , and also can this disease change and get into the food chain by changing it DNA template , I would like to see some action in control of this disease, as everyone says we don’t know very much about this disease ,yet thier is no local control of dog movement from area to area , or when people are going on holiday, let’s have some sensible magement to protect our dogs. Until we know a lot more you would not have people how have a sever infection travel around the country ,not knowing what it is.

  5. Is there any consensus among the vets who have had some success treating these dogs as to which antibiotic is having most success and what are the best treatments to protect the kidneys?.I hope that these vets are communicating with each other.Surely the best information should be transmitted to a central agency.ARE THEY DOING THIS????

  6. So I don’t know if it’s ever been a consideration or if it has already been dismissed but after looking at the symptoms, typical location and particularly the time of year this seems to be most “active”, it seems unlikely to me that it would be bacterial/viral/parasitic only dude to temperature. my suggestion would be that it’s fungal, specifically derived from a fungal fruiting body ether the body itself or even spores. Due to the time of year and location there are vast amounts of fungi blooming around this time and in the damp/wet conditions that seems to be typical and as we all well know some are toxic when consumed but could they possibly do damage on contact through ether fresh or decomposing bodies or even spore contact. This is only my humble theory but I hope if true it might help as I have not seen even the suggestion of it being fungal. I would love to hear back if anyone has anything to say regarding the theory.

    1. If it is Alabama Rot and not something else (under debate I think) then that apparently has links to a bacteria that attacks fish (fin rot) and frogs. If frogs are affected it is possible that they could be carrier – maybe. They live in damp, wet, muddy places and are mobile.

    2. My brother has a theory that it is related to canals (if you look at the area where it is most prevalent) and a shrimp that’s found within those canals….

  7. Hi there we are due to go on hoilday to barmouth . We stay in a cottage which is all surrounded by country side and lots of sheep . Is there any cases reported in this area ?
    Kind regards
    Terry hall.

      1. Hi, there has been a suspected case reported from a Vets in Hinckley Leicestershire. Dog was walked in Sutton Cheney/Bosworth area and has unfortunately passed away. Official results are still pending.

    1. Nov 21st 2017 we lost Jake an 11 year old sprollie. A very handsome wonderful dog. Jake was the first case in Staffordshire and for my vets. I have since thrown myself into researching this horrendous disease and tried to raise as much publicity and awareness for fellow dog lovers using local press, Radio and TV along with a National Dog Magazine running an article in their March edition of Your Dog. All the media have been supportive and interested in this story and they will listen to you. While we wait for a breakthrough with the specialists which is not around the corner any time soon I would emplore anybody affected by CRGV to shout about it and use the support of media to raise the profile and hopefully funds for ARRF. There is a long way to go with this disease and I accept that I’m not a Vet but until the figures of cases are more accurate and until the suspected cases are considered robust based on the vets opinion then we only know what the PM tells us. We only ever know after a PM if a dog has had CRGV the suspected case maybe identical symptoms but the dog pulls through with antibiotics…why is that, is it down to the individual dogs immune system and how it handles the bacteria/ toxin. Example, my other dog Meg had at the time Jake became ill two nasty red sores on the inside of her rear legs, she was given antibiotics and after Jake passed we continued with her medication and they cleared up, her condition was considered to be Dermatitis she had never had this before and not since . I honestly believe it was CRGV but didn’t turn into renal failure due to the strain of bacteria or her immune system handling it better. A recent case in Swadlincote has seen the same devastated owner have five dogs affected by CRGV and three had nasty lesions quite angry and obvious and developed into renal failure and died the other two who were walked in the same location st the same time had less aggressive angry sores and they cleared up with antibiotics and no blood tests needed. Theas type of sores in my opinion could be misdiagnosed as Dermatitis because different dogs can present with different types of sores. Why did the two wippets survive, was it a different strain or were the dogs immune system different??? The questions I have are many. In Staffordshire we have a focal point where the three confirmed cases walked on Cannock Chase prior to illness and maybe linked to a water pool or the muddy terrain close by. One survival case was walked in the same area. I will be pushing for water and mud samples from this area as they are not so spaced out as the cases in the New Forest.
      In terms of where do you walk and which areas are infected I would suggest that you simply focus on the terrain and if it’s very wet and muddy I would make an informed decision as to whether it’s worth the risk because until we know more it’s Russian roulette in this type of terrain.
      We don’t know how it is contracted and we don’t know what the bacteria is and therefore only supportive treatment is available, washing your dogs paws and legs and belly is good advice but there is NO evidence that it will prevent the disease from taking hold.
      The more we talk, shout and publicise this disease hopefully the more gets done. I would encourage any owner who is concerned about their dog to not only take to vets but to talk about the disease to the vet and ask for an early blood test, I believe this to be SDMA which will give an early insight into the kidneys. We as dog owners/ lovers have a duty to protect them and encourage all agencies to do the same. Thank you to everyone who has already done so much to start the fight against CRGV since 2012 and lets keep fighting until we have a vaccine. 32 confirmed cases in 2017 that’s just under a third of all cases since 2012, why is that is it more reporting due to more awareness or is it genuinely getting worse with over 30 counties affected ? Thanks for reading
      and look after your dogs .

      1. Hi Phil, I have been reading your story with a lot of interest being a dog owner myself. First af all may I pass on my sincere condolences for the loss of a beloved dog. I walk the Chase on various routes around the visitors centre for at least two hours every day. I have tried to cut out all the wooded areas and really muddy paths. I take out about 9 litres of water and towels so that i can wash her before she even gets back in the car to go home. she rarely attemps to drink out of puddles etc as she usually runs over the open fields now in chase of her beloved ball. This frightens me as she may be playing with an infected ball. i have tried taking the ball off her but she walks behind me sulking and not taking any exercise in running. She is a very active collie cross, a rescue dog who we love very much. I try to get as much information as i can to see what other dog owners in this area are doing or saying, but information is not very forthcoming on social media, and other dog owners I talk to on the Chase say we just have to take our chances and that there is a lot of scaremongering going on. I dont believe this myself, but what alternative do i have. I cant not take her for her daily exercise. Thanks for caring. Regards. X

        1. Hi Janet, thanks for reading and for taking the time to reply. As you probably know my Jake was a collie cross (Sprollie) and we had him for ten years, we loved him dearly and miss him every day. I have spent the last 10 years on the Chase covering all 26 sq miles and I love it and want to get back over there, I won’t as yet risk Meg my 6 year old Springer.
          This is not scaremongering or creating a panic my story like others is one of reality that I and others had healthy fit dogs that contracted this disease and died. The ONLY common link between 4 dogs that contracted it was that they all walked on Cannock Chase prior to illness. All the evidence suggests wet muddy woodland terrain and my entire focus is to push this as far as I can to get answers so that all dog owners feel safe wherever they go.
          30 counties have reported cases and all have the same terrain that the dogs have been walked in and 115 confirmed cases since 2012 with 32 last year alone. I want to know what killed my dog and will not stop talking until there are answers.
          Ultimately if people know about the disease and it’s symptoms and choose to walk in that terrain at least they have a heads up about what to do if symptoms appear and they’ve made an informed decision. This is not a stay off Cannock Chase campaign but it is a Alabama Rot Disease campaign to understand the devastation that it can cause. All the media attention that ive secured has been to try and help all dog lovers be aware not to scaremonger.
          I had a very positive meeting with my MP today who will be pushing for education signs on the Chase and will be writing to the environment minister for additional support. There are other things we will be pushing like water and mud samples to test for bacteria with help from APHA. I’m not a Vet but I also have support from Dr MacDonald a Fish vet who has discovered a possible stepping stone in this fight against CRGV and who has offered to assist the APHA when / if they collect samples to ensure the methodology they use is right. Generally other than the forestry commission everyone is helpful and supportive. There is a fear though of alot of misdiagnosed cases due to so little being known about it and I personally believe the numbers are bigger than reported.
          In terms of what you do with your dog at least you are doing it with knowledge!! Jake was the first case in South Staffordshire and I wish I’d had the knowledge that I have now as he may have had a chance.
          I do get frustrated when I keep hearing it’s a rare disease with very few cases and although that is correct I’ve lost my Jake when the odds were 0.01% so my view is bound to be different.
          I can’t and wouldn’t advise you to do anything different because I’m not in a position to, I would only ever say look at the facts and do what you feel is right.
          I don’t judge anyone who wants to continue walking on the Chase I would just ask that you talk about it to fellow walkers to spread the knowledge.
          At the end of the day none of us want any dog to die from this.
          I have nothing to gain from spending all this time pushing for answers as my Jake will not come back but as a community we need progress.
          Love and care for your dog and enjoy them every day. Thanks Phil.

          1. Hi Phil, I keep reading your reply to me in a bid to understand just a little bit more about this terrible disease and what is/can be done about it. I agree which what you say about misdiagnosed cases. Since walking my dog on a daily basis and chatting to many people along the way, I have heard of other dogs dying from mysterious illnesses, and of course if the owner does not want a PM carried out the cause will never be known. Please don’t think that scaremongering is aimed at you, am only telling you what has been said to me by some people who just don’t know what to do and will go along with the suggestion of scaremongering from other people. As I said, I do not believe that, we must all listen but most of all we should all talk about it and spread the word. I encounter many people on my walks who are elderly Phil and do not have access to the internet, it worries me that they do not have enough information on taking precautions to prevent their dog from falling ill. People must accept that this is a real problem and as you say, we should all talk about it, we should shout about it and we should help to publicise in the hopes that more will be done. Keep us all informed on anything that you can find out. Again, condolences on the loss of Jake and best wishes for a complete recovery for your Meg. x

          2. Thanks Janet you make very good points about the elderly and internet access, yes please keep talking and bringing it to people’s attention.
            I feel that the disease has given us a bit of a curve ball in a recent confirmed case in Leek Staffordshire. Charlie was a 13 year old Springer spaniel confirmed CRGV but due to the dogs arthritis his owner states that he didn’t walk him in Woodland or Forest areas !! This is the first case that I’m aware of that hasn’t been linked to wet muddy terrain from woodland areas. Does this mean that when the specialists say they don’t know how it’s contracted that actually it can be contracted ANYWHERE. For me that’s a significant change and a significant concern.
            New figures out show now 122 cases and 37 in 2017 with the worst months to come Feb and March.
            I don’t know of anything else we can do other than the cleaning of feet stomach etc and at the moment it feels like Russian roulette when I go out.
            We need to push the ARRF.CO.UK website for donations to support the research and get answers sooner rather than later I have a horrible feeling that the numbers will keep growing.
            A letter is being drafted by my MP to the environment minister for additional attention to this National threat to domestic dogs. Something more has to be done. Phil

        1. I’ve not heard of any cases in France but I’m just a dog owner like yourself so I don’t have many answers. I have an update from Dr Fiona McDonald who has researched and been directed to evidence that Aeromonas Hydrophila which may be the cause of AR is carried and excreted by earth worms. This would account for some dogs not walking in Woodland or Forest areas contracting the disease. Aeromonas Hydrophila is an environmental bacteria so could be anywhere. It’s not the bacteria that kills the dogs but the toxins from it. At least we have a stepping stone to work on and I’m appreciative of all the work that Dr MacDonald is doing as she is a fish vet who is lending her knowledge and expertise in this fight to defeat CRGV.
          If you can please support ARRF.CO.UK to help the science. In the meantime please keep loving and caring for your best mates by washing their feet, legs and belly after wet walks. Thanks Phil

      2. My dog had a nasty sore I thought perhaps it was glass because that had happened before. It got better and the sore is now brown for a while. I read about other owners who’s dogs have improved overnight somewhere, my dogs sore took longer. He is a town dog Brighton. I just found out my neighbour’s dog is a work dog in Horsham and that he got ticks all the time. I had to remove a tick from my dog I had never spotted one before. Ticks spread diseases. I think it is a disease I wanted to wash my hands when I touched the sore. He has made a full recovery. Just gave him a bath found a tick afterwards and removed what I didn’t know what it was. Also spot treatment today. Would be interested if a dog can get this only once as well. Any information us helpful. Sore was on front paw.

        1. Being a westie he’s a very sweet dog but would not let me near his sore that he kept licking. He doesn’t lick the area behind his first nail and managed to get a photo where all I can make out is it is healed as the fur turned brown. The photo looks like a oval shape like pictures seen on google. I am keeping him at home also I got the tick out completely that’s important. Where it was red is now brown and the ulcer type sore is at least four times size of his nail. I think I kept my head throughout as if he was licking it wasn’t glass but realized then he may have been about his paw before the constant licking. Hope this helps and I sure my dog is well now.

          1. Amending last comment affected area is four times size of first nail it s behind that this is a bald patch. He is unconcerned about paw. Also I have come to the conclusion that it is down to the tick he had. I didn’t know the difference between nits and ticks, though I do understand a tick on animals like farm animals is not good at all. So I think a tick on a dog is dangerous his back legs were in fact slightly stiff and noticeable if he stood up but it’s impossible it think there’s a problem looking back. Getting more agile now bounding onto bed etc. A lot of ideas bandied about here but a tick is dangerous. Read up on them and horrified to say the least. Quite sure Charlie’s hair will grow back and making sure he isn’t aneamic diet eggs and pate etc. He had spit treatment which kept him flea free but he had a tick. Very important to remove tick properly. I read the ulcers are a symptom of illness. Hope this is of help.

          2. Hi two weeks later thrown away bed and blanket. Has to have front line as not protection from flea spot treatment. Read they brush off .First sign if you dog is licking all the time. Last post.

      3. Hello, I’m so sad for you losing your lovely dog. We are down in Devon at the moment and did a search of cases of Alabama Rot before visiting our son. We had to take our dog to the vet because he had a bald spot on his nose (worried it might become a lesion) and they told us there were three unconfirmed cases of AR only a mile or two from where our son lives. (we’re staying with him) At Lydford. These were only unconfirmed because the owners had refused post mortems. Possibly they couldn’t afford them or were too upset. But these DID NOT show up on the map because they were simply not confirmed. So there are no notices at popular Lydford Forest warning dog walkers not to use it. And no warnings online not to walk your dog there.
        I would like to see two things – firstly that any dog with suspected AR is given a government paid for post mortem.
        Secondly that unconfirmed cases are added to the map – could be in a different colour and it would be easy.
        We were under the impression it was safe to walk our dogs down here but it’s clearly not. Who knows how many unconfirmed cases there are?

  8. I’ve heard that cases have been reported in Herts and bucks and as a bucks resident, am really concerned?.

    I’ve also stressed that my groomers check ALL dogs daily for skin and feet lesions, this is a great link to aid the fight!.

    LuLu Rose.

    1. Hello, for the record my dog a 4 yr old dalmatian died on 10th November 2017 from this disease …. we live in Buckinghamshire, so yes it is a major concern. There needs to be more research.

  9. Following a ecent press report on Alabama rot alluding to new recent cases and spread in Scotland I thought I should come back and check your excellent surveillance map and pages.
    I note that the Midlothian case from almost a year ago is still marked as suspected, and no new cases appear to have been registered in the database.
    This raises a few questions for me about being able to assess risk for our dog. Since I am not clear whether there has been any further spread of cases in Scotland or not.
    Is there an obligation for vets to report to you ? If not what do you estimate is the compliance in reporting?
    If a suspected case is reported, how is a case confirmed and is there any obligation on the treating vet to confirm given the case in Midlothian remains an unconfirmed one.

    1. All confirmed cases are after dog has died and dog’s kidneys been tested for Alabama Rot by Anderson Moores Vet Specialists AMVS (or other labs). All vets should be aware that reporting cases to AMVS, is very helpful – but some vets don’t report cases citing client confidentiality etc.

      1. Ok thank you for clarifying and also for the huge part you are playing in helping understand this condition , it’s transmission and origin. I hope the upcoming conference helps to illuminate some clues worth pursuing.

    2. I have noticed that your map shows an incidence in South Gloucestershire but the detail refers to Old Down Wood in Hampshire. Does that mean that there are no incidences in the Thornbury area or is it that the detail is wrong?

        1. The map shows my daughter’s dog – Vereley (New Forest) March 2012 but says there are no details of his walks. My daughter did provide this information to Anderson Moors so may have been lost in translation – Starbuck was walked both Saturday and Sunday before he became ill (4 days later) on the EXACT same route, during a period of extremely high rainfall. My daughter GPS tracked her route on both days and has offered this information previously as it may be a good starting point for taking water samples in a less randomised way?
          If anybody would like the tracked route, just let us know 🙂

  10. Hi Lindsay,

    Unlike your vet, I, at least do have an answer of some sort.

    I know there are 101 things that can make dogs vomit, but I note that Kings Lacy is a wooded are in otherwise open countryside downwind of Lulworth (depleted uranium firing range) and the decommissioning of nuclear reactors and installations at Winfrith.

    I am no vet, but I’m guessing that if the cause were microbial then once it has taken hold your dogs would suffer with the same severity (if somewhat delayed) as any other dogs – kept on a lead or not.

    The fact you kept yours on a lead and they only vomited – rather than suffering lesions and kidney failure – suggests to me (again, rightly or wrongly) that there is a contaminant of some kind, and your dogs inhaled or ingested less owing to their being on a lead at all times (presumably you were unable to stop them sniffing the ground).

    With poisoning, the amount is critical, so to me this suggests poisoning by some contaminant.

    I have many times suggested, here, that radioactive particles (DU from firing ranges or other radioactive dust from open-air nuclear decommissioning may be the contaminant).

    The government, nuclear and arms industries here have a record of secrecy and disinformation (3 months to admit to the melt-downs at Fukushima, and complete cover-up at Sellafield (Windscale)), so we would not hear too much of this in the mainstream press. The use of depleted uranium at Lulworth was also kept quiet, and emerged only afterwards. You were not even given the chance to move away or stay indoors. Personally, I would not trust information from anyone the government appoints to look into this.

    As the vets say they are all out of ideas it seems we just have to keep on taking my own precautions, as you have.

    You can Google Lulworth, Winfrith and DU to see what went on without our knowledge.

    1. In this country, the way decommissioning happens, you wouldn’t get nuclear contamination. We don’t really do open air decommissioning like in the Us. But interesting to read about lulworth firing ranges. I wouldn’t be particularly concerned though.

      1. Hi Emma,

        Who on earth told you that? I don’t know what your interest is in this, but you have clearly been hoodwinked.

        You cannot have not heard of Windscale/Sellafied and Dounreay – where open-air nuclear disposal and decommissioning has already been going on for decades, or Fallujah, where depleted uranium is killing and deforming right now.


        Do you really imagine that the nuclear industry that dumped waste in oil drums in the English channel for decades would stop short at decommission buildings in the open air whilst it is supplying depleted uranium to firing ranges yards from where we live?

        Genuinely. Please share with us your secret – how you can feel so untroubled by that when all this is happening and our dogs are dying, and neither you, nor the vets have a clue what is causing it.

  11. Do you know where the dogs were walked in the Wimborne cases. I was wondering as my dogs are walked at Kingston Lacy but have had to stop walking them on the grounds as the 4 times we have been there my dogs have been very sick and vomiting the next day, have taken them to vets but each time they can’t work out what caused the sickness but now it has happened 4 times in same location I was wondering how the location can be causing the vomiting, no other symptoms and my dogs are kept on lead and don’t eat anything??? Is it possible for a location to have low lying levels of it thus causing mild symptoms???

  12. We lost a mama dog and 5 of her 7 puppies plus a separate 4 month old pup to “Unknown Illness” presenting as lethargy, loss of appetite, severe sudden weight loss, refusal to drink, salivation, bloody diaorrhea and bloody vomit. Negative for parvo and other usual suspects. Antibiotics made the dogs and puppies go downhill quickly. No temperature raise indications. Our vets were all dumbfounded. Also could all these ill dogs with bloody vomit and diaorrhea whose owners are blaming the Lepto 4 vaccine be connected? clearly its not the vaccine.

  13. Hi I’m trying to find out the current risks of contracting Alabama Rot around the New Forest north of Ringwood. Our dog was diagnosed with Alabama Rot having walked around there in 2014. He doesn’t appear to be on your records, so you may want to add him as a Suspected Survived case. We believe he contracted it at Godshill. Feel free to add him to the survivors page too. This is a link to case:
    He was in intensive care for a week where he received plenty of fluids via a drip and thankfully appears to have made a full recovery. We know we are extremely lucky and our thoughts go out to all those that didn’t make it.

    We have family in the New Forest area and we have not taken our dog back to the region since 2014, but we now are considering a return and want to access the risks. I would be extremely grateful if you could let me know if there have been any new cases in the New Forest particularly around the Ogdens area – there doesn’t seem to be any new cases reported here since 2014. Is that correct?
    P.S Thanks for this great site.

  14. Hello I know of someone who had a dog ,she got alabama rot vet in potslade near Brighton the man’s name is Gary downs dog was called lucky ,he was told she was dying and did have it bad feet down to bone he didn’t have her put to sleep he took her home and later don’t know how much later he took her back to New forest HOLLANDS WOOD CAMPSITE she died and he has dug a grave for her around the site not far think I know where he would have done it ,I think the whole thing is so sick poor poor dog and as for putting her body in ground that must be bad as she had the rot
    He will not talk to me and I have no way of talking to him ,so angry with him

      1. After hearing a rumour I googled
        ‘Alabama Rot Case in Penzance which took me to a map indicating Penzance as having the most recent case.We have 3 veterinary practices in the area and I might ring tomorrow as being a woodland dog walker myself I am anxious to find where the dog was normally walked. I have heard (hearsay )it was a labrador.I am surprised nobody is coming forward on Facebook with more information.

        1. >After hearing a rumour I googled
          >‘Alabama Rot Case in Penzance which took me to a map >indicating Penzance as having the most recent case.

          Can you provide a link to the map you found?

  15. We have had a case at Heathfield Vets, Heathfield, East Sussex. Skin lesion and renal failure. Sadly the dog had to be put to sleep as the renal failure was too advanced. The dog was on the property between stonegate and wadhurst but had also been to several horse shows aroud Sussex and Kent

  16. P.S. From the symptoms described, i.e. lesions on lower legs AND BELLY of the dogs, a trough your postman would consent to walk through will no way be deep enough for your dogs, that will presumably be carrying dirt flicked onto their bellies and God-knows-where from their paws. You might want to make sure no contaminants can be licked into their system – meaning that you might want two tubs, one for washing off and one for rinsing. Sounds like a lot of work with five dogs, but a shoe (paw) dip – I wouldn’t know where to start building that – might still be nowhere near enough.

  17. Hi,

    I winder why DEFRA and the NFNPA have not done more towards attempting a prevention scheme.

    I’m not suggesting closing the New Forest but both these agencies have the power to insists that dogs and owners walk through a tough of disinfectant before and after visiting the New Forest or any other wooded area for that matter.

    I’m sure every dog owner would be happy to subsidise such a venture.

    Take care out there I live in the New Forest have 5 rescued dogs and I’m in the process of installing a trough for each dog and ANY person visiting my property to walk through. Even the postman who after all is all over the area.

    1. Yeah, Steve, I wonder too, and I suspect it’s because the authorities secretly know what’s causing this, or they are afraid to investigate because they might find that this is something inconvenient – like nuclear fallout.

      That finding would not be good for the Nuclear industry – and damning for our anti-green, anti-renewables, heavily-nuclearly-invested government – especially at the moment, with the Hinkley Point fiasco and all. Then there’s the growing need for depleted uranium firing ranges – like the one in Dorset (oh, look! It’s just down the road from the New Forest!) so we can maintain the world prosperity imbalance; and we need big nuclear deterrent in case the French attack :o). We’re gonna need nuclear power stations so we can disguise research into atomic weapons as “Atoms For Peace”. Get it anyone?

      It’s great to hear someone ELSE speaking out for a change, and the latest post from the Midlothian vet appears also to agree with us that you’ve got to wash your dog. All this cuts clean across Anderson Moore’s ambivalent (=wishy-washy) advice on whether to wash your dog, and other precautions it seems there is no point in taking “since we don’t know what’s causing this” (paraphrased). The disinfectant won’t kill radiation, so just in case, you might want to sure the water is changed often. You might even buy a cheap Geiger (they are cheaper than dogs) and test the build-up in the water. Also, your troughs, good as they sound, won’t stop the dogs drinking from puddles, ponds, streams and lakes – and just one drink might be enough to kill your dog – for all we know. You might want to also water your dogs. Give them filtered water BEFORE you go out. Maybe take a bottle of water in a rucksack on long walks. They won’t be totally safe, but it might just help.

      The fact is, nothing good will come from us all patting AM’s on the back, swallowing advice and saying what a good job they are doing. It’s now been four years, and nothing. No clues on what’s causing this, and little guidance from the undoubted experts on CRGV – yes, I’m sure they ARE the experts. But we’ve got to do this for ourselves. Make your own mind up on what’s causing this, or at least on where it is coming from, then do what you must to protect your own.

      By the way, if this IS nuclear fallout – and from what I read, the symptoms are the same – or whatever else it is – IT’S NOT JUST YOUR DOG. Keep unwashed dogs and babies (or any children) as far apart as you can – just in case. Dogs walking dirt in? Babies on the floor? Kids rolling in the grass, picnics on the ground? I think not. Nuff said.

  18. I own three HPR gundogs and live near Worthing where I believe at least 5 dogs have recently died believed to be from CRGV. For all dog owners in this area, we are caught between the Angmering Park Estate, (located between Arundel and Patching, just north of the A27) where dogs may have been infected by CRGV and the sea where the beaches now have Palm Oil strewn over them. Is anywhere safe to exercise our dogs. I am hoping there are Scientists/Veterinary Medical Students out there who may be able to help by looking at the map on this web site where dogs have sadly been the victims of CRGV, I note that most of the woodlands in these areas are of Conifer/Larch/ Douglas Fir where the soil is likely to be more acid having a PH value of less than 7 whereas Broadleaf trees tend to have alkaline soil which has a higher PH level above 7, as the leaves contain calcium. The months between October and April brings about damp/wet/boggy conditions under foot which dogs are more susceptible, these conditions are likely to harbour a host of bacteria. Is there a connection? Is this an area for our Scientists to study to see if there is a connection with Alabama Rot? As these areas are also the natural habitats for wild deer, pheasants and other animals, their faeces are often trodden in or eaten by our dogs – is there a connection with E.coli ? The water from the woodland will also drain over open fields where sheep graze. Again, is there a connection between sheep foot rot and Alabama Rot even though sheep have a somewhat different immune system which may protect their kidneys from CRGV? Has it yet been established if foxes have been infected by CRGV or if they have a natural immunity from which a vaccine could be manufactured?

    Sorry for all of the above questions but I and other dog owners are desperate for researches to find a cause and cure for this dreadful disease.

    Thank you to all who are helping in the research.

    1. Hi Trevor,
      thanks for your post. I can’t answer most of your questions regrettably. Personally I’m keeping my dog away from infected areas / woodlands as much as possible. I too live by the sea (Bournemouth) and exercise my dog on the beach – whilst being on the lookout for palm oil. Anderson Moores Vet Specialists https://alabamarot.co.uk/majority-of-crgv-alabama-rot-affected-dogs-walked-in-woodland-anderson-moores/ commented about CRGV/Alabama Rot:

      “The majority of the [CRGV/Alabama Rot] affected dogs have been walked in woodland (various types to the best of our knowledge); however, not all. An environmental trigger is strongly suspected but has not been confirmed.” Source: Anderson Moores on facebook, 4th January 2016 https://www.facebook.com/VetSpecialists/posts/951357391599098?comment_id=951982304869940&reply_comment_id=952721068129397&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R7%22%7D

      You may wish to read the March 2015 Vet Record paper: https://alabamarot.co.uk/about-alabama-rot/research/veterinary-record-2015/

  19. P.S. Or dogs being brought by ship into our ports… whether they went out on holiday abroad caught the disease and are coming home, or whether they are “immigrating” into our country and have the disease.
    Perhaps the urine of an infected dog carries the germ which transfers to other dogs as they sniff it or walk over it??

  20. Just an observation from looking at the map – does it not seem odd that the concentration of cases confirmed or not confirmed seem to be those nearest ports, i.e. Southampton and Liverpool. Could this be something to look into or am I being a bit “off the mark”?? Wales, Scotland, East Anglia, Ireland have nothing…. could it be something to do with the transport (shipping) of livestock from other countries into ours??

  21. https://www.facebook.com/willowvetcentre/photos/a.124576294277718.21849.122650904470257/969812539754085/?type=3

    I was sent a warning,c above link, from Willow Vet that these chews from China cause kidney damage. I wondered if u were aware of this although I have been told that there r always lesions as well with AR. Is it right about the lesions always reported with AR? Also has anyone tabulated the food and other items consumed like chews ,pond water etc., which the sick dogs had ,in case there were similarities?

    1. According to Walker et al in 2015, in all confirmed cases of Alabama Rot, the dogs get skin lesions and kidney problems https://alabamarot.co.uk/about-alabama-rot/research/veterinary-record-2015/

      Neither the AHT link http://www.aht.org.uk/cms-display/veterinarywarningrenalglucosuria.html nor the accompanying FDA link mentions skin lesion symptoms AFAIK http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/productsafetyinformation/ucm360951.htm
      Also this FAQ mentions nothing about skin lesions.

  22. Hi, not sure if this is relevant or not; friend’s Border Collie recently died, but got fungus issues in nose beforehand. He had been walked in New Forest on holiday before fungus struck. It caused nasal bleeding and breathing problems. No lesions, but just wondered if this is strange coincidence that fungus started after visit to New Forest.

  23. Your map shows 3 green diamonds in the Swindon area, yet green diamonds do not appear in the list of what markers mean. The implication is 3 cases .. but in reality this is one SUSPECT dog walked in 3 different areas, for which the local vets are, wrongly IMHO, advising people not to walk dogs in ANY of these areas. This is scaremongering of the worst type. CRGV is a horrible thing, but we have to keep a sense of perspective, there are assumptions all over that walking your dog in woodland is the problem, but there is no proof of this anywhere, it seems to me that there is as much risk in using a local playing field or even a roadside grass verge. Telling folks not to use 3 major areas over one unproven case is way “over the top”

        1. I live in Purton and since I heard about Alabama Rot on New Years Eve 2015 I have confined my two Yorkies to walking on the pavements, they are bored and so am I but I feel this is the safest approach. I would like to know if the affected dogs have been running free or if they have been in water. I would imagine that foxes could also catch this disease, does anyone know if it can be caught from another animal?

  24. Very much unconfirmed but suspect lesion found on a dog in woolston southampton, lively and an escape artist hes very keen on humping, we tried everything sorry, but its on his nutsack…
    his primary point of contact with other dogs.
    Its got me worried as no less than 2 minutes after noticing it?
    That i saw the hampshire news report on the subject…
    It looks like it might just be a graze that got infected but looking at the photos of the lesions pictured it seems to be something like human impatigo?
    between toes and under thighs , some on faces, all wet damp ucous mebranes or areas that might stay damp after walks or allow a biological parasitic infection to breed?
    Im not a vet and just guessing,, i very much hope my dog doesnt have it,,, but the coincidence of this news story?
    i thought alabama rot was very much an american dog issue…
    sadly lot.
    I wish all of those whove lost dogs to this the best its a really terrifying condition…
    An awareness campaign?
    might get a lot more researcxh started and if my dog has by some horrible chance contracted this?
    Your efforts might have just saved his life…
    I think a conversation and investigation into this in the minds of the countries dog walkers especially those of us in the new forest…
    is very necesaary..
    what animals does the new forest have that nowhere else does…
    specifically largish mammals..
    arent their an awful ot of wild boar there?
    seems to be epicentre.
    …Im thinkig existing wounds and scratches?
    as to transferrence??
    would explain its growth being nothing like an epidemic.

    fancy shampoos?
    i think the best mitigation would be wound monitoring, loo for scratches or grazes in vulnerable areas where theres little hair, between toes and under bellies seem to be thee from the pictures.
    bu the mouth one?
    mucus membrane too, nice and damp…
    dogs bitten on something a pig has scratched itself on??
    i dont know why ut it makes me think very much of pigs.
    new forest not rewally elsewhere.
    the main thing theyve got is pigs that differs from everywere else..
    then theres pig farms too?
    worth another look at that map..
    If theres a vet in soutrhampton whose expertise is geared to this…
    he wor she would be welcome to look at spuggz furry ballz see if his humping as gotten him something nasty.

  25. One line of questioning that the vets have noted is that 43% of dogs in contact with confirmed Alalbama rot dogs get skin lesions but did not get Kidney failure (hope my figs are correct) so I wonder if any unsociable dogs (ie those kept on a lead and not coming into direct contact with other dogs) on a walk have ever got Alabama rot?? Maybe this is information that unfortunate owners could supply. I have several dogs and some love to socialise but a couple do everything to avoid contact and are kept on a lead in populated places so do not have direct contact, of course a bacteria or virus can survive in the environment for a set time which may be where the mild wet comes in. Also if some get lesions but not kidney failure you have the possibility of milder cases being carriers. But I know the vets have looked for viruses and bacteria and so far have found nothing specific. I hope funds continue to come in to make sure they can continue aggressive research into this horrid disease.

        1. Roger,
          If the other dog only got skin lesions and not Acute Kidney Injury am I right to assume that he had unconfirmed or suspected CRGV – but survived?

  26. Hi
    I believe there are 2 more dogs at the Anderson Moore vets now from Shillingstone who were walking in Norton Woods. I have no further information but would really appreciate any update you may get as I live in the same area. Your map is great and your work is really appreciated.

  27. Hi, Why is the dogs name important. I would have thought that breed, age, sex etc far more helpful than what the dog is called. Surely, the purpose of the map is to try and spot patterns / trends, the name of the dog is of no value at all.

    1. Hi Matthew,
      If I have details of breed, age, sex they can be got by clicking the individual marker. Anderson Moores said “There is no apparent breed, age or sex predilection.” on 21st October 2014. http://www.andersonmoores.com/vet/news

      I’m hoping that owners will provide more info on where dogs were walked – maybe adding the dogs name on the label will encourage them to do so.

    2. It has to get through the mouth or nose into the digestive or respiratory system . The disease shuts down organs. There for “sniffing” dogs like spaniels , hounds typically root around in the under growth smelling. But Ball orientated dogs having their tennis balls through in affected areas and picking it up with their mouths are also at risk . So where ever this disease is any dog is at harm.

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